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  The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

  by thirdwitness in

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  think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

  why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

  as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

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  Death to the Pixies

  Nah, he was saying that Rolf (like YECreationists) was getting credentials for his WT theology, so I chided.
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  The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

  by thirdwitness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

  why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

  as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

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  Death to the Pixies

  Rolf Furuli is a joke. Furuli is much like the handful of Young-Earth Creationists who have gotten advanced degrees in science for one purpose: to get secular credentials so as to pretend that when they advance their religious views, they're really advancing science.

  Yes, you are correct-this has been shown with his newly achieved doctorate of arts in which his dissertation was on Classical Hebrew Verb forms. Clearly this was to advance his religious views. You, You, You moron! Said with love and feeling of course :>)
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  The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

  by thirdwitness in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  think about this: if seven times mean only 7 years then daniel could have simply said 7 years.

  why does daniel specifically use the word 'times' rather than years?

  as we have already shown daniel used the word for 7 times instead of 7 years.

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  Death to the Pixies

  You forgot to mention he was a notable Trinitarian. Do you accept what he said about that too? Hmm?

  That is not the point, 3rd was answering the claim that no modern scholar believes "presence" is correct at Matthew 24. Of course this is merely a theological argument and not a lexical one. One can hardly blame the NWT for literally translating "parousia" (para= alongside, ousia=being ) at Matthew 24, that is unless their theology objects.

  Just a quick question for the group, has anyone had a chance to read what JW scholar Edgar Foster has written in "Your Word is Truth"... I am kind of curious what his angle was on this subject.
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  Active JW Apologists: Did you take the OATH at the Convention?

  by kid-A in

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  2. scandals

  inquiring minds want to know: how did respond to oath # 7 which all jws were required to take at the latest dc?

  "we will resist with all our strength the spirit of the world manifested in such things as materialism, unwholesome entertainment, overindulgence in food and alcoholic beverages, the plague of pornographic material and the curiosity or temptation that lures one into association with outsiders through internet chat rooms.

  our resolve is to be no part of world as we carry on worship that is clean from the standpoint of our god.

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  Death to the Pixies

  Although I agree with your points Arthur, And true, Kid-A is guilty of what you assign him, the finger wagging, the soap box ie:

  "3 Hmmmm. Most of the "worldly" people I know KEEP THEIR WORD if they actually take an oath. What example are you setting for your brothers and sisters in the congregation??? "

  but in the end, he is still a good ....................Hey wait, you are actually talking to me...Odd.
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  Active JW Apologists: Did you take the OATH at the Convention?

  by kid-A in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  inquiring minds want to know: how did respond to oath # 7 which all jws were required to take at the latest dc?

  "we will resist with all our strength the spirit of the world manifested in such things as materialism, unwholesome entertainment, overindulgence in food and alcoholic beverages, the plague of pornographic material and the curiosity or temptation that lures one into association with outsiders through internet chat rooms.

  our resolve is to be no part of world as we carry on worship that is clean from the standpoint of our god.

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  Death to the Pixies

  Kid-A: 2) If you are defending the Jehovahs Witness faith, your direct violation of this oath demonstrates unequivocally that you do NOT believe the Governing Body is Gods representative on earth........SO, which is it? Do you have the courage to at the very least ADMIT, the GB must be wrong, if you feel no compunction in violating their directives?......

  
  

  Reply: This is an either/or fallacy. Not to say that some members of the CCJW do not think the GB are wrong here, I used to, but have you considered other more innocuous possibilities as to why some members of the CCJW may be participating on some forums? Have you ever had a bad habit that you cannot break? Have you ever done something you know in the end is fruitless but due to ego or some other weakness you find yourself partaking? Maybe having an argument with your spouse you know is a dead-end? I know the fruitlessness of internet debate, so I gave it up awhile back, but due to boredom, lack of self-control, I find myself reading visiting boards I know are total trash. It is like watching Bill O'reily or Sean Hannity, you know he is a blowhard but you must check in to see what is up.

  Threads (and points) like these are merely immature cheap shots from socially immature folks.

  And in this case, Self righteous too!
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  Thirdwitness -- An Agent of the Governing Body?

  by AlanF in

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  thirdwitness -- an agent of the governing body?

  this evening i was talking with an old friend about recent postings on this forum by jw defenders.

  we concluded that something unusual is going on.

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  Death to the Pixies

  Saki:"Thirdwitness -- An Agent of the Governing Body?"

  Or maybe I am... maybe I'm working in conjunction with the GB... with TW, Scholar and the like serving me up as bait, feeding the site with a fictional life story along with a random picture in order to gather sympathy and pity... working as a Trio of apologists for a single hidden agenda...

  The purpose?

  Reply: That is pretty funny. I thought the group was kinda joking at first with this non-sense but it seems wierd theories are in vogue. Funny they would expect Bethel to be in cahoots with people who have not shown they are steady in the truth for an extended period of time. 2 years ago these guys were declaring the GB immoral. Now the GB is in conjunction with them somehow? If I were a betting man I would say the clique is 3rdWitness-- A guy named Al-- and a fella who posts elsewhere as trobledmind (no relation to the troubled mind who posts here).. Just guys who are computer savvy who like to research with the explicit intent to show their old mentor to be in error. Stuff like this makes you realize how much seriousness you need to take internet posturing about these issues. Claims of victory and blatent disrespect people have shown 3rdwitness and others... Why bother? This is kinda why I gave up on getting into any serious debates on the net a few months back,. It also shows the need to take these theatrics with a grain of salt...However if you sift through the BS you can find some decent info from both sides.
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  A Fair View of Fred Franz' Translation Abilities

  by IW in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i thought these comments on channel c were fair views of fred franz' translation, not to mention a little surprising.

  a breath of fresh air.

  http://www.channelc.org/cgi-bin/eboard30/index2.cgi?frames=no&board=main&mode=current&message=21782.

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  Death to the Pixies

  Here is some further observations by Ray Franz in response to a question regarding his uncle FW Franz-s translating abilities:

  "... Fred Franz studied Greek for two years at the University of Cincinnati, with high marks, and continued his studies personally thereafter. One need only read the critical notes accompanying the New World Translation to see the extent of his knowledge of Biblical Greek and its grammar. He was self-taught in Hebrew. However, knowing him personally I am satisfied that he was capable of developing a thorough knowledge of the language. He was unusually mentally disciplined. He taught himself Spanish, a language I spoke in Spanish-speaking countries for nearly 20 years. While in Brooklyn, I associated with a Spanish-speaking congregation that he attended. I heard his use of the language both there and, previously, in Spanish speaking countries. Whether in conversational expressions or in public talks that he gave in Spanish I did not once hear him make a single grammatical error. He similarly learned Portuguese and gave talks in that language. He knew German from his childhood (his father having been born in Germany).
  
  On one occasion, while in Cincinnati, I took Fred Franz ( he himself did not drive) to a Hebrew museum which he knew contained a particular Biblical Hebrew manuscript that he wished to research. I stood alongside him while he read through the portions of the Hebrew text he wished to investigate. While working on the Watch Tower’s Bible dictionary Aid to Bible Understanding., on more than one occasion I had to seek out his assistance with reference to Hebrew renderings. He was always able to supply the needed information. In 1971, on a trip to Israel, we visited the Watch Tower’s branch office located in Haifa. A member of the staff there, Dalia Erez, a young Jewish woman, native to the country, did Hebrew translation of the organization’s publications. She spent part of one day discussing with Fred Franz certain translation problems she was experiencing and received his assistance and recommendations. She clearly found his knowledge of Hebrew solid.
  
  His knowledge of Hebrew was not equal to his knowledge of Greek and he was not an advanced or notable Hebrew scholar but his knowledge was sufficient to produce a creditable translation.
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  Sincerely,
  
  Ray.

  (end quote)

  He seems generally miffed that so many people (usually dubious Evangelicals) incorrectly use his footnote in his book to state FW Franz had zero knowledge of Greek, or that he was wholly incapable of makng a translation.
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  Thirdwitness -- An Agent of the Governing Body?

  by AlanF in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thirdwitness -- an agent of the governing body?

  this evening i was talking with an old friend about recent postings on this forum by jw defenders.

  we concluded that something unusual is going on.

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  Death to the Pixies

  
  Auldsoul,

  Also notice that 3rdWitness has proclaimed the "holy trinity" of apostate critique to be Pedo-s, 607 bce and the UN-NGO issue. UN-NGO? Not really, most Jws do not care and many Xs do not care either. The blood doctrine would be of more singificance. One might wonder why the blood doctrine did not get a shout-out... Well, the E-Watchman agrees with the WT's blood doctrine so there is little need for them to tackle it.
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  Thirdwitness -- An Agent of the Governing Body?

  by AlanF in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thirdwitness -- an agent of the governing body?

  this evening i was talking with an old friend about recent postings on this forum by jw defenders.

  we concluded that something unusual is going on.

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  Death to the Pixies

  Hey Auld..

  Thirsdwitness and and fella named 'Al" were sophisticated members of the E-watchman supporters, hence the defenses on his site are largely aimed at a certain apostate,Mr. E_Watchman himself. It is actually quite puerile that they are so obsessed with him. I used to read a board they both contributed on- and its agenda was to combat that wierd internet prophet.

  I do not mean to detract from them by saying "puerile", but to come off more real and respect worthy they should just let that E-Watchman fella alone.
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  Thirdwitness -- An Agent of the Governing Body?

  by AlanF in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  thirdwitness -- an agent of the governing body?

  this evening i was talking with an old friend about recent postings on this forum by jw defenders.

  we concluded that something unusual is going on.

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  Death to the Pixies

  AlanF:Given the above, I have a strong suspicion that thirdwitness and his collaborators are either Bethelites, or JWs with extremely close ties to Bethel, or both, all of whom have been given the green light by Watchtower officials to get on the Internet and do battle with JW critics.

  Broseph, you got to stop smoking crack... Thirwitness and his pals are defectors from the E-watchman cult.